Add ALT mode to Throttle/Mixture levers #1498
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Pressing ALT and moving the levers (mousewheel/dragging) gives finer control now. This simulates throttles friction lock and the mixtures vernier feature.
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I have seen, the default movement step is 2%. If you like, I can adjust it to match. |
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So without "ALT" it will be a faster travel if you change it to 5, but with "ALT" you can get a slow more precise adjustment? If this is so, yes, go ahead. |
Currently it is so:
I propose to change „Just use = 2% steps“ to 5% increments. This essentially results in shift doubling and alt halving the „normal“ travel.
EDIT 1: btw, Shift+Alt combines, resulting in 2% steps (so shift can double the "fine adjustment value"). |
- Shift usage now still does 10% increments - Alt usage does 1% increments - combining alt+shift results in 2% steps - This applies also to dragging and mouse wheel scrolling (It is in sync with the C182 now; see HHS81/c182s#571 )
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What I wonder tough: where do we document the different use modes of the levers, so pilots will see them? |
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On 3/12/24 6:58 PM, Hbeni wrote:
What I wonder tough: where do we document the different use modes of the levers,
so pilots will see them?
in the aircraft help is where i would do it...
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Hm, or maybe directly at the tooltip? I tried adding it at the help gui, but that looked not so good. |
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On 3/12/24 7:16 PM, Hbeni wrote:
Hm, or maybe directly at the tooltip?
Or just the wiki?
I tried adding it at the help gui, but that looked not so good.
yeah, i don't know about the formatting for the craft specific help but i
generally check there first and rarely look anywhere else...
a tool tip would be fine if it can also look good and not be too much...
especially if the tip is trying to note all three of the options...
of course the wiki should also be updated, too ;)
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For the 182 I added a Dicumentation.md file years ago, to collect feature descriptions etc. |
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On 3/13/24 2:46 AM, Hbeni wrote:
For the 182 I added a Dicumentation.md file years ago, to collect feature
descriptions etc.
right... but can that file be easily accessed and read from within a plain FG
installation? if it cannot, then it is unlikely to be seen by the majority of
users... especially if they do not know how to go snooping around at the file
system level...
personally speaking, there are times when i feel that craft help should be
similar to tutorials and checklists where there's an index that links to
multiple pages of interlinked documentation and all of this should be available
from within FG _without_ needing access to any external tools like a web browser
or pdf reader... but that's just me and everyone knows i'm a crazy old man with
really weird ideas at times ;P
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No, but we have an "about the plane" dialog, featuring buttons to open links: There, a link to the github markdown file could be added, because that will open the file directly parsed. EDIT: Just asked the MD thingy on the ML. |
i don't know how you added it but i was thinking of something like this... i whipped this up with the following... maybe use leading dashes on each of the "using [...]" lines so it looks like an unordered list would help, too... also, perhaps this may be a nice feature to add to the air vent (top left of windshield), cabin heat, and cabin air (both on bottom right of dashboard) as well? i think that's all the sliding controls, isn't it? |
would look like this... |
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After looking at the available GUI help categories, I think it belongs in Common Aircraft Keys. First I wish we either also had a Custom Aircraft Keys category or the Common Aircraft Keys heading was changed to simply, Aircraft Keys. I think you could just add the extra two key combinations in that list of keys. That is the most likely place it will be seen by the user IMHO. It's only two or three more line items, right? Well actually as many as six including both the throttle and mixture. |
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On 3/13/24 12:43 PM, wlbragg wrote:
After looking at the available GUI help categories, I think it belongs in Common
Aircraft Keys.
idk... i see Common Aircraft Keys as being common to all craft whereas this is a
feature we're adding to the c172p so it is specific to the c172p like it is
specific to Hbeni's craft... that's why i think the c172-help.xml is the proper
place IMHO...
i will also note that i have not dug around to find out if there are other
property types available that might fit the formatting better... i whipped that
up using the existing line format because that's what i saw and could mock
something up with real fast... if there's a list property, that could work, too...
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But that is one of the first places someone will look to quickly get the key bindings. Also this whole concept of "Common Aircraft Keys", that was my point. When does it become common, one, two, 10 or more aircraft? The throttle and mixture are common to almost every aircraft. These are just modifiers to those common controls. Again. I think we need a core change and remove the word Common. If we are to keep "Common", then we need another heading such as "Custom Keys". I don't think it is necessary or proper to limit what goes in the quickest help popup for an individual aircraft to the word "common" I think it is just legacy wording that is past time for a change. Also you can't be sure that it will not become "common" to many other aircraft once developers see it in use and start to adopt it. One more thing, we already have seat position keys in this help dialog, they are by no means "common" to other aircraft. |
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i didn't realize the seat position keys were in the Common Keys menu... i thought they were in the "?" menu specific to each craft... but, i do see what you are saying about throttle and mixture being common... i've always seen that menu as common to all craft with feature or special stuff being in the "?" menu for each craft... i don't know at what point something would be know as "common"... we face this same question in an old-school network where "things in common practice" are what is documented... in a network with thousands of systems that can connect to each other, at will, and exchange messages and files, "common handshakes", "common transfer protocols", and similar are used... at what point each of the various handshakes and protocols were """counted""" and passed some "boundary" to become "common" i don't know even though i was there and part of the process... anyway, i'm offering a POV with thoughts and ideas... you all are the implementers asking for input... i offer my input freely and leave it to you all to consider it and do with it what you will 👍 |
Ah, that is the menu I was referring to. I guess i got confused. I see no problem putting it in there, in the same place as the seat position keys. The "Common Aircraft Keys" is swollen and has grown. Is that custom to each aircraft or is it stored in fgdata? If it is in fgdata, then yes, I don't think it should go there. Also, having the "?" menu is basically the same thing as an aircraft specific heading. I'm not sure I ever look at that though, I think I am more likely to check the Common Aircraft Keys. But the Aircraft Help "?" certainly the appropriate place. Any idea why the "?" is there? Is the universal to "help" screens? |
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yeah, looking briefly at the menubar code, i see nasal is used to display |
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Revisiting this,
I actually like this. It is easy to read, even better with the bullets. |
Pressing ALT and moving the levers (mousewheel/dragging) gives finer control now.
This simulates throttles friction lock and the mixtures vernier feature.