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Nerfs moon smile #83248

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@Rex9001 Rex9001 commented May 15, 2024

About The Pull Request

This pull request makes the Moon Smile spell a worse alpha strike by lowering the minimum duration of most of the effects and making the knockdown only occur if the targets sanity is low enough. Currently its knocking down at less than 40 sanity though this threshold can be lowered if desired.

Why It's Good For The Game

In its current state this spell is wayyyy too strong for how quickly you get it and I've heard a lot of frustration expressed about it. This PR attempts to tackle this by decreasing the minimum duration of its effects and locking the knockdown to lower sanity levels making it better in extended combat like the intent of the ability always was.

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balance: Moon Smile only does a knockdown if the targets sanity is low enough and the minimum duration of its abilities have been decreased
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@tgstation-server tgstation-server added the Balance Changes to functionality that modifies how effective certain methods are at powergaming label May 15, 2024
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Helg2 commented May 15, 2024

So from a good 1v1 tool (which hardly ever happens on highpop), you just make it straight up near useless.

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Rex9001 commented May 15, 2024

So from a good 1v1 tool (which hardly ever happens on highpop), you just make it straight up near useless.

I believe it is too oppressive in its current state. The knockdown effect as an alphastrike was far too good mostly due to ashen passage and the thermal amulette. Moon heretics are meant to be better in longer engagements and using their abilities in combination to ruin sanity for increasingly good effects.

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Helg2 commented May 15, 2024

What about making it aoe spell?

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Rex9001 commented May 15, 2024

What about making it aoe spell?

I don't really see the point in that? Also not very fitting for the first spell of a path in my opinion.

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EnterTheJake commented May 15, 2024

You might have to buff the brain damage on the rest of the kit to compensate.

I do agree moonsmile is hilariously busted in its current state, but it's also true moon heretic heavily relies on this spell to even do anything.

You could also like...just move it way down the skill tree, it's powerful enough it could easily be the last spell you unlock pre-ascension.

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Rex9001 commented May 16, 2024

Frankly I'd wait to tune up the rest of the kit, currently Moon heretic is wayy too strong and I want to see if maybe nerfing this spell makes it acceptable again. A path shouldnt be ascending 25% of the time it is picked.

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moon frown :(

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Rex9001 commented May 16, 2024

Its clear that whilst this ability is too strong for my taste it seems to be fine according to most. I'll revisit this for future moon heretic stuff though

@Rex9001 Rex9001 deleted the Moon_smile_nerf branch May 16, 2024 14:13
@Rex9001 Rex9001 restored the Moon_smile_nerf branch June 2, 2024 15:02
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Rex9001 commented Jun 2, 2024

Eh fuck it Im just gonna let this one ride

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