Controlling resistance with inclination on elliptical #2306
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are you able to change the resistance from the resistance tile on qz
manually? if so yes i can add it
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Il giorno mer 24 apr 2024 alle 20:48 Eric McMurry ***@***.***>
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… Is there any way to automatically control the resistance on an elliptical
based on the inclination? I have inclination control working with zwift,
which is cool, but the effect on hills is not very realistic. The track
tilts up so the step changes to something closer to a climb, but with no
resistance change I end up spinning in tall fast circles instead of it
getting harder as would happen on a real incline. I dug through the
settings but couldn't find an automatic resistance control. thanks!
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yep, that works fine. thanks! |
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so you would prefere resistance changes instead of inclination?
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… yep, that works fine. thanks!
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both would be nice. I was thinking in terms of having the resistance change based on the inclination, along with an offset and gain so the resistance relative to the inclination could be adjusted. |
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ok i will do it
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Il giorno mer 24 apr 2024 alle 20:59 Eric McMurry ***@***.***>
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… both would be nice. I was thinking in terms of having the resistance
change based on the inclination, along with an offset and gain so the
resistance relative to the inclination could be adjusted.
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cool! thanks Roberto! more coffee incoming |
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done! it will be in the today version. |
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Nice! Thanks!
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done! it will be in the today version.
the zwift resistance offset and zwift resistance gain will help you to calibrate the resistance response
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well, I couldn't find the settings to turn it on or adjust it. I tried digging through all of them but it escaped me. Where are those settings? thanks! |
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under bike options
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ah, the one spot I didn't look :-). so, I turn on erg mode and then use the resistance offset and gain to adjust? |
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nope don't turn on erg mode, just use as usual . resistance will change
according to the inclination. you can increase the offset and the gain to
adjust the response
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Il giorno gio 25 apr 2024 alle 16:38 Eric McMurry ***@***.***>
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… ah, the one spot I didn't look :-). so, I turn on erg mode and then use
the resistance offset and gain to adjust?
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got it. I will try it. so, to turn it off you set the gain to 0? |
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yes
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… got it. I will try it. so, to turn it off you set the gain to 0?
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it works, after a fashion. It seems to have trouble with negative slopes. For a while it seemed to be working right, then it started behaving a bit randomly with the inclination going too high while the resistance was lower (like they flipped) and the inclination also got stuck above one when the zwift slope went down (I've seen this part happen before) |
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does your elliptical have negative inclination? if so which is negative
limit?
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Il giorno gio 25 apr 2024 alle 17:00 Eric McMurry ***@***.***>
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… it works, after a fashion. It seems to have trouble with negative slopes.
For a while it seemed to be working right, then it started behaving a bit
randomly with the inclination going too high while the resistance was lower
(like they flipped) and the inclination also got stuck above one when the
zwift slope went down (I've seen this part happen before)
debug-Thu_Apr_25_09_34_45_2024.log.zip
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it doesn't. it's inclination goes from 1 to 20, which is actually 1.5 to 15 degrees of slope. zwift does do negative though and that is where I saw the called for resistance go up to 16-20 |
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ok i will check the log tomorrow and i will let you know!
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Il giorno gio 25 apr 2024 alle 17:39 Eric McMurry ***@***.***>
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… it doesn't. it's inclination goes from 1 to 20, which is actually 1.5 to
15 degrees of slope. zwift does do negative though and that is where I saw
the called for resistance go up to 16-20
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got the issue! it's an easy one! i will send you a new one! |
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that worked a lot better! btw, the inclination is still getting stuck when zwift switches to negative slope. There are a couple of instances in this log. in the last one it stuck at 8, while the slope was negative. the resistance went down though. |
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Stupid me, I have to do the same thing for the inclination as well
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Il giorno gio 25 apr 2024 alle 19:22 Eric McMurry ***@***.***>
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… that worked a lot better!
btw, the inclination is still getting stuck when zwift switches to
negative slope. There are a couple of instances in this log. in the last
one it stuck at 8, while the slope was negative. the resistance went down
though.
Thanks!
debug-Thu_Apr_25_11_56_16_2024.log.zip
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ah, maybe that is the issue. the elliptical only goes down to 1, so perhaps it is filtering out the zero? |
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are you talking about resistance or inclination? |
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inclination. actually both the resistance and inclination on this are 1-20, although the resistance is not showing the same issue. |
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hah ok, yes for the resistance i set the min as 1 for the inclination I set it to 0. so that's the issue. let me set to 1 as well. i will send you this later today |
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no rush. thanks for fixing it! now if I could only get zwift to actually report the inclines so I could get credit :-) |
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eheheh you have to contact zwift for this :)
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Il giorno ven 26 apr 2024 alle ore 14:37 Eric McMurry <
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… no rush. thanks for fixing it! now if I could only get zwift to actually
report the inclines so I could get credit :-)
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I've actually seen mention that some treadmills will report this to zwift and it will throw it in the fit files. I didn't see any details though so I don't know what the mechanism is. |
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It's on by default. Did you use the wahoo tread or the phone name on zwift?
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Il giorno ven 26 apr 2024 alle 15:29 Eric McMurry ***@***.***>
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… ah, gotcha. how do I turn that on?
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I use the wahoo tread |
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So it should works. You can ask about this on the qz Facebook group also.
There are a lot of treadmill zwift users
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… I use the wahoo tread
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got it. so it should be sending that data back to zwift even if it is an elliptical? |
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Yes because qz is sending them as a treadmill to zwift
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Il giorno ven 26 apr 2024 alle 16:36 Eric McMurry ***@***.***>
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… got it. so it should be sending that data back to zwift even if it is an
elliptical?
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okay, not sure what else to try then. not the end of the world to not have that data. thanks! |
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Did you check on the strava session? Do you have a link of one?
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… okay, not sure what else to try then. not the end of the world to not have
that data. thanks!
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yep, they have 0 elevation in them. Here's the fit from the last one that had the crash during it: |
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check this for example https://www.strava.com/activities/11063028798# i can see the elevation from zwift on my qz setup |
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cool, that looks like what I was hoping for. My runs just show 0 elevation though. Those get synced over to Garmin connect also and it shows zero too. |
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maybe zwift patched this (i'm not using zwift anymore, just qz). So that's
why i said to ask to the FB group, they will give you an actual answer for
sure ;)
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… cool, that looks like what I was hoping for. My runs just show 0 elevation
though. Those get synced over to Garmin connect also and it shows zero too.
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Don't know why I didn't look before, but when I checked a recorded workout in the qz app, I also don't see any elevation, so I guess it makes sense that it wouldn't show up back in zwift either. Do I need to turn something on in the app for that, or is it just an artifact of zwift not sending anything? |
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but do you see the inclination tile with the right value on qz? |
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Yep, inclination is there and working, and I see a chart for that. Should I also see one for elevation?
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you should see the right value in the elevation gain tile too . did you
enable it?
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… Yep, inclination is there and working, and I see a chart for that. Should
I also see one for elevation?
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Yep, that is on, and I see it incrementing. Digging a bit deeper, I do see increasing elevation in the fit file, I just didn’t see a chart on the app so wasn’t sure. It only shows elevation increase though, and with a steady incline. I’m guessing from that data that it is doing that based on the incline of the elliptical rather than the slope coming from zwift? For this elliptical it only goes down to 1 and the numbers are not slope so it doesn’t translate directly to elevation.
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there isn't a elevation chart in qz, never added :) but if you see in the fit file qz is doing the right thing :) try to ask about this on the qz facebook group |
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No worries, I just noticed it wasn’t there, wasn’t asking for it. If data is in fit, presumably it is sent on. Sorry, I don’t have fb, so I will drop the request and hope that the zwift folks fix this at some point. Thanks!
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there isn't a elevation chart in qz, never added :)
but if you see in the fit file qz is doing the right thing :)
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maybe you can just use the fit file from qz instead of the zwift one :) |
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Yeah, that one is better. Lots of manual shuffling to do that though. Also, the elevation data in there is still wrong since it is a recording the inclination of the elliptical, which does not match the elevation from zwift (well, it’s all guesswork anyways I suppose since you can’t directly mimic hills). Thanks!
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qz can mimic hills, just set the zwift credentials in qz and qz will do the rest! |
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what do you mean it doesn't match. it must be: when zwift shows 3 the elliptical should be forced to 3. what do you see instead? about the elevation gain, that's right, elevation gain goes only one way, it counts only the positive gain, not the negative one |
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Yep, that is working well. I just meant that it was a simulation since it is an elliptical, so the numbers around speed and elevation are estimations. The only issue I have in the data is the elevation increase which only goes up and always goes up. Thanks!
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qz can mimic hills, just set the zwift credentials in qz and qz will do the rest!
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This elliptical only goes down to 1 for incline, and the incline number is not an angle, just a unit-less number from 1 to 20 (actual angles I measured as 1.5-15º). So, recording that shows a constant increase even when the slope is flat or negative as requested by zwift.
The elevation gain is shown as elevation in the fit, so if I pull that up on Garmin connect for instance, it just looks like I was climbing a hill the whole time. It is swift’s problem really, since they could just put that into the data like they do for cycling.
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what do you mean it doesn't match. it must be: when zwift shows 3 the elliptical should be forced to 3. what do you see instead?
about the elevation gain, that's right, elevation gain goes only one way, it counts only the positive gain, not the negative one
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hah ok if you want I can remap the inclination value to a table so you can
assign a real inclination value
let me know
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Il giorno lun 6 mag 2024 alle 23:10 Eric McMurry ***@***.***>
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… This elliptical only goes down to 1 for incline, and the incline number is
not an angle, just a unit-less number from 1 to 20 (actual angles I
measured as 1.5-15º). So, recording that shows a constant increase even
when the slope is flat or negative as requested by zwift.
The elevation gain is shown as elevation in the fit, so if I pull that up
on Garmin connect for instance, it just looks like I was climbing a hill
the whole time. It is swift’s problem really, since they could just put
that into the data like they do for cycling.
> On May 6, 2024, at 14:30, Roberto Viola ***@***.***> wrote:
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> what do you mean it doesn't match. it must be: when zwift shows 3 the
elliptical should be forced to 3. what do you see instead?
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> about the elevation gain, that's right, elevation gain goes only one
way, it counts only the positive gain, not the negative one
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Is there any way to automatically control the resistance on an elliptical based on the inclination? I have inclination control working with zwift, which is cool, but the effect on hills is not very realistic. The track tilts up so the step changes to something closer to a climb, but with no resistance change I end up spinning in tall fast circles instead of it getting harder as would happen on a real incline. I dug through the settings but couldn't find an automatic resistance control. thanks!
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