Calibrating Radiocarbon Dates with R (translation from french) #603
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Hooray! Here's the initial translation in plain R - it's not in Markdown yet, but that's coming. Figures and table images are also in this zip. Thanks for being patient and supportive! |
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Hello Christina @TorontoYYZ, Many thanks for sharing your submission materials with us. @charlottejmc and I are happy to set up the file as Markdown for you, so we'll take it from here! When we've processed your materials, we'll post a comment here in the Issue to the share locations of all the key files. Very best wishes for now, |
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Hello @digitalkosovski, @lachapot and @TorontoYYZ, You can find the key files here:
You can review a preview of the lesson here: I noticed a couple things while processing this submission, which I've outlined below:
Thank you very much for your patience and your work! |
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Hello Christina @TorontoYYZ, What's happening now?Your lesson has been moved to the next phase of our workflow which is Phase 2: Initial Edit. In this Phase, your editors Laura @lachapot and Agustín @digitalkosovski will read your translation, and provide some initial feedback. They'll post feedback and suggestions as a comment in this Issue, so that you can revise your draft in the following Phase 3: Revision 1. %%{init: { 'logLevel': 'debug', 'theme': 'dark', 'themeVariables': {
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Section Phase 1 <br> Submission
Who worked on this? : Publishing Assistant (@charlottejmc)
All Phase 1 tasks completed? : Yes
Section Phase 2 <br> Initial Edit
Who's working on this? : Editors (@lachapot + @digitalkosovski)
Expected completion date? : June 3
Section Phase 3 <br> Revision 1
Who's responsible? : Translator (@TorontoYYZ)
Expected timeframe? : ~30 days after feedback is received
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Hello again @TorontoYYZ, In the meantime, I've invited you to join us here on GitHub as an Outside Collaborator. This will give you the Write access you'll need to edit your lesson directly. Charlotte has shared some notes above about a few components that are still needed / details that we'd like to help clarify. The French original lesson was published before we introduced alt-text for all figures, so I realise that you don't have the original alt-text available to translate. For writing the alt-text, this resource may be useful. It advises that the alt-text for graphs and data visualisations should consist of the following:
You can either add the alt-text into the templates Charlotte created, or leave a comment here in the Issue and we will add it in for you. Thank you, |
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Hi everyone, Thank you very much for your translation, @TorontoYYZ . And thank you @charlottejmc and @anisa-hawes for setting it all up! We'll be back in touch with some initial feedback in the next couple of weeks. Thank you, |
Thank you for clarifying, Anisa. Could you add the alt-text in for me, please? Thank you, |
C: Thank you for noticing! Let's change all the variants to 'radiocarbon date'/'radiocarbon dating' to be specific. That is, 'carbon ages,' 'carbon dates,' 'radiocarbon ages' should all change.
C: Sorry about that, and thank you for explaining what you did - here's the translation for the caption. "Distribution of conventional and calendar dates of the mean ages of samples 2, 3 and 4. The dark gray areas correspond to the 95% HPD interval. IntCal20 calibration curve." I have included this in the .txt file linked in the next comment.
C: alt text for all figures are in this .txt file, thank you:
C: thank you, working on this now and will update when done.
Could you please do this for me? Thank you very, very, very much! Do carry them over.
C: Yes, could you replicate the hyperlinks exactly? Thank you again.
C: thank you, and my apologies. The translation for the lesson abstract is here. What did you mean by 'avatar alt'?
C: you're a lifesaver, thank you very much! again!
Amazing, thank you! This looks much lighter, you are right of course
C: genuinely, thank _you _ for editing my work! It looks much better already... |
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Hello Christina @TorontoYYZ, I think I wasn't clear in my previous note about what is required for the I shared Amy Cesal's guide to Writing Alt Text for Data Visualization because I think Cesal's 'formula' for describing graphs could be useful. What I think Amy Cesal's guide achieves which is important, is prompting an author/translator to reflect on the reasons for including the graph or visualisation. What idea does this support? What can a reader learn or understand from this visual? Another resource I've found useful is the Graphs section of Diagram Center's guidance. I think some key points (relevant to all graph types) we could take away from it are:
Following those prompts, (keeping in mind that my absolute novice reading of this line graph is likely lacking) for Figure 1 you might write:
Would you feel comfortable making a first draft of the alt-text for each of the figures? I know this is a bit time-consuming, but I do think it is very worthwhile in terms of making your translation accessible to the broadest possible audience. We would be very grateful for your support with this. The Thank you, |
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Thank you for clarifying Anisa, I'm sorry for not understanding before. This is a good exercise to do. Here is the alt-text.txt following Diagram Centre's guidance. Thank you for explaining what the avatar text is. I cannot see the image very clearly, so here is the French description translated verbatim. "Vases, furniture, and various objects painted in the tombs of kings." Does it look like the word on top of that image says "Thèbes" to you? If so, we can add that to the text too. Cheers, and thanks for your patience, |
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Hi @TorontoYYZ, Thank you very much for your response! I've added in the translated lesson abstract and the caption for Figure 8, as well as carried over the endnotes and hyperlinks. (Just seeing your comment above: your translation of the avatar is perfect. I'll add it in now.) I've also renamed the lesson file and image filenames to
Thank you! |
charlottejmc
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Charlotte, thank you! Here's a translation of the endnotes. endnotes.docx. Endnote #11 in the French version actually has a time-dependent statement based on the time this lesson was originally published so I added this in brackets. I hope that's clear. |
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Thank you @TorontoYYZ, @charlottejmc, and @anisa-hawes for all the work you’ve done on this lesson translation so far. We know a lot of people would be very interested in having this lesson available in English so we’re excited that you’re undertaking this, Christina! Here is some additional feedback from @digitalkosovski and me. The main comment we’d have is that currently the translation feels very literal, following the French nearly word for word, which often makes it hard to read and understand in English. We’d suggest that you go over the translation (without looking at the original French) and revise it to make the language clearer and more idiomatic in English — focus on how you’d want to write it in English to make it easily readable for English readers, rather than following the French so closely. We’d suggest that you pay particular attention to:
We’ve flagged up a few specific instances below, for each section of the lesson, that would need some further attention, and we’ve sometimes provided examples of how you might reformulate, in case that’s helpful, but we leave it up to you to go through the lesson and revise how you see fit to make it clearer, more flowing and idiomatic. N.B. When paragraph numbers are mentioned they refer to the lesson preview The abstract
Calibrate Radiocarbon Dates with R
The Principles of Carbon Dating
Why Calibrate Radiocarbon Ages?
How to Calibrate?
Applications with R
How to Visualize the Output Data
Are the Results from Different Laboratories in Agreement?
Date Calibration
How to Interpret these Dates
How to Present your Results
Conclusion
We hope this is helpful! Let us know if there’s anything you’d like to discuss or if you have any questions. Ideally, this first round of revisions would happen within 30 days so that we can move swiftly on to the next phase, but let us know if there are any adjustments you need to make on the timeline. Thanks again for this exciting contribution and looking forward to working on this with you! Laura and Agustín |
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Hello Christina @TorontoYYZ, What's happening now?Your lesson has been moved to the next phase of our workflow which is Phase 3: Revision 1. This phase is an opportunity for you to revise your draft in response to @lachapot and @digitalkosovski's initial feedback. You already have the 'write access' you need to edit your draft directly. We ask authors to work on their own files with direct commits: we prefer you don't fork our repo, or use the Pull Request system to edit in ph-submissions. You can make direct commits to your file here: /en/drafts/translations/calibrating-radiocarbon-dates-R.md. Remember @charlottejmc and I can help if you encounter any practical problems! When you, Laura and Agustín are all happy with the revised draft, we will move forward to Phase 4: Open Peer Review. %%{init: { 'logLevel': 'debug', 'theme': 'dark', 'themeVariables': {
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Section Phase 2 <br> Initial Edit
Who worked on this? : Editors (@lachapot + @digitalkosovski)
All Phase 2 tasks completed? : Yes
Section Phase 3 <br> Revision 1
Who's working on this? : Author (@TorontoYYZ)
Expected completion date? : June 30
Section Phase 4 <br> Open Peer Review
Who's responsible? : Reviewers (TBC)
Expected timeframe? : ~60 days after request is accepted
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Okay, thanks you! I've read your messages. Thank you very much for going through the lesson minutely, and for explaining the next steps.
Could I update the lesson by June 30? I am away from my desk for a few days now.
Cheers,
Christina
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Hello Christina @TorontoYYZ<https://github.com/TorontoYYZ>,
What's happening now?
Your lesson has been moved to the next phase of our workflow which is Phase 3: Revision 1.
This phase is an opportunity for you to revise your draft in response to @lachapot<https://github.com/lachapot> and @digitalkosovski<https://github.com/digitalkosovski>'s initial feedback.
You already have the 'write access' you need to edit your draft directly.
We ask authors to work on their own files with direct commits: we prefer you don't fork our repo, or use the Pull Request system to edit in ph-submissions. You can make direct commits to your file here: /en/drafts/translations/calibrating-radiocarbon-dates-R.md<https://github.com/programminghistorian/ph-submissions/blob/gh-pages/en/drafts/translations/calibrating-radiocarbon-dates-R.md>. Remember @charlottejmc<https://github.com/charlottejmc> and I can help if you encounter any practical problems!
When you, Laura and Agustín are all happy with the revised draft, we will move forward to Phase 4: Open Peer Review.
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Hi Christina @TorontoYYZ, thank you for letting us know. June 30th sounds good to me. |
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