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[REVIEW]: The Argo Online School: An e-learning tool to get started with Argo #193
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Dear @kls2177 on October 23rd we got from @labarba the following comments: "hi @Alberto-GS and @PedroVelez 👋 In the meantime, I had a fresh look at the submission, in more depth, and let me anticipate a few things. (1) About the videos: note that JOSE considers videos as supplementary material that we do not review. I did notice that you have the videos on Google Drive, and for me they did not play on JupyterBook, as you have embedded them. It needed a "pop-out" to Drive. Have you considered putting them in a YouTube channel? (Perhaps unlisted? Vimeo is also an option). Then using from IPython.display import YouTubeVideo they will be playable in the Jupyter notebook (and JupyterBook?). (2) On your paper, a reader has to wonder what Argos is all the way to the "Statement of Need," so I think that first paragraph there should be moved to the top of the Introduction. (3) Regarding the audience, you mention high-school students, which called my attention. Is there any experience involving high-school students in this topic? Do you have any experiences with different student populations that you could tell us about? (*) We do not review videos, or slide presentations, or other forms of OCW, because they cannot be modified or easily reused. JOSE reviews open-source material that is reusable and allows derived works. Also, when you make an archive of the repository (source files for the JupyterBook), the videos will not be included." we are working in these comments and shortly we will reply to them in this issue. |
Hi, regarding the first topic (1), we have tested versions using YouTube (see here https://euroargodev.github.io/argo-online-school/Lessons/L01_TheArgoProgram/Chapter10_TheArgoProgram_intro.html ), however we do not like this option since YouTube will suggest new videos that distract the 'reader' from the school. And, as far as we know there is not way, either using IPython or an iframe within the markdown, to avoid this distraction. We have no tested Vimeo but probably is similar, since thew platform will promotes its own videos. In general the Lesson1 and Lesson2 are meant to be seen in the main web page https://euroargodev.github.io/argoonlineschool/intro.html and Lesson 3 is the one to be downloaded to work with the Jupyter notebooks. Please @kls2177 if you have another suggestion we will happy to test it. |
Hi all, About (2), the "Statement of Need" has been placed where suggested. About (3), we don't have previous experiences but this audience escope was proposed because here (at least in Spain) highschool students and first grade college students already have coding notions. We sadly don't have feedback with different student populations:( Do you find this scope audience too optimistic? Do you think it should be modified? @kls2177 @labarba I just realized there is an error in our affilitaion (probably my bad) artice proof . It should be "Centro Oceanográfico de Canarias, Instituto Español de Oceanografía (IEO - CSIC)" Thanks! |
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Hi @Alberto-GS and @PedroVelez, Thank you for your patience. Reviewers have now been assigned. Regarding the videos, I am able to view them and I think using Youtube is the easiest way to proceed. However, please keep in mind "We do not review videos, or slide presentations, or other forms of OCW, because they cannot be modified or easily reused. JOSE reviews open-source material that is reusable and allows derived works. Also, when you make an archive of the repository (source files for the JupyterBook), the videos will not be included." Regarding your audience, I suggest that you focus on the audience that this material was originally intended for rather than speculating as to who it could potentially be for. I hope this helps! |
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Hello @bzemskova and @gaelforget, how is the review process going? |
Hello @bzemskova and @gaelforget, since we have not hard from you in several weeks, we are now looking for new reviewers. Thank you for your original willingness to contribute a review. |
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I found a problem with one of the notebooks. I am going to post it here but if it's better to put it elsewhere, please let me know. In L03-Chapter11_TheNetCDFFFormat, In [26], I get an error with the line |
In L03-Chapter22_ArgoDatabyFloat_Prof, in In [3]: the line should read as follows, otherwise the Data cannot be found and an error occurs,
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In L03-Chapter31_ArgoDatabyData_Day, the following need to be changed. In [3]: the first line should reference 2019, as that is what is found in the Data folder.
In [7]: again refer to 2019 data.
In [13]: 2019 not 2020.
More changes need to be made in this file I leave it to you to fix them. |
In L03-Chapter32: there is problem with In [8], saying module 'argopy' has no attribute 'plotters'. |
In L03-Chapter41: In [4] should refer to 2019 not 2020. In[ 13] has an error as |
Ln L03-Chapter42: In [3]: has an error |
This is an interesting contribution to the field that will be useful to many young researchers. I have pointed out a number of bugs that I found in the notebooks, but I presume these are easy to fix. One general concern is that the first two lessons only involve watching videos and no actual python code. If that’s the case it’s nto clear the utility of including them in a notebook. I am okay with this but I feel like if there was some python in the first two lessons that might be better balanced. Below are a few minor points that should be addressed.
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First, I'd like to thank the authors for this very interesting module. I agree with Francis that this is a very good contribution to the field and should be considered for publication after resolving the issues I've raised. Below, I'll link to my comments which I organized in a manner which I hope is convenient. Please feel free to ask me questions about any of my comments. |
@Alberto-GS and @PedroVelez, the reviewers have completed their reviews and have comments for your consideration. I recommend that these comments be addressed before publication. Thanks @francispoulin and @djmallum for your helpful comments. @djmallum, quick question - I do not see an issue on the argoonlineschool repo entitled "General Comments". Not sure if this got included elsewhere. @francispoulin and @djmallum, would you be willing to review the revised version when available? Just a few of my own comments: I agree with @francispoulin, that it would be nice to integrate some python examples earlier in the course. Perhaps, just some simple plotting examples - rather that providing some static images, ask the students to generate the plots using python. This would allow students who are learning python for the first time to get some gradual exposure before Lesson 3. You mention that this material is for high school or graduate students - what about undergraduate students? I do not necessarily agree with your statement that no pre-requisite knowledge is required. There are certainly expectations about general science and mathematics knowledge. I suggest providing some information about pre-requisite knowledge on the landing page of the Argo Online School website. For example, what pre-requisite oceanography, maths, chemistry, geography knowledge is expected of students? This is likely more relevant for high school students than post-secondary students. At the beginning of Lesson 3, you provide students with a link to the Earth and Environmental Data Science course to learn python if they need to, but it would be nice to provide students with information about these pre-requisite coding skills and resources at the beginning of the course. I really like the interactive quizzes! These look great and give timely feedback to students. I would recommend integrating a few more of these at regular intervals to keep the students engaged. Structurally, I would also suggest embedding the quizzes into each lesson, rather than having them as a separate section at the end. I feel that this would better reflect the sequencing of the material. Thank you for your patience! Please let me know if you have any questions. |
@kls2177 I must not have saved that issue properly. I should be able to resolve that today. I'm also happy to review the revised version when available. |
@kls2177 @Alberto-GS @PedroVelez I have now fixed the links above and added a "General Comments" issue in the target repository. I will be away until the 29th of May and will not be able to respond to questions until then, but I will be available for the rest of the day if anything comes up. |
@kls2177 I am happy to review a revised version of the manuscript. |
Hello everyone, |
Hi @Alberto-GS, how are the revisions going? |
Hello @kls2177. On hold to be honest. While we waited for a response at the time, we focused our efforts on finishing a paper that was published precisely last week. I will start this week and you will hear from us soon:) Thank you so much for asking! |
Submitting author: @Alberto-GS (Alberto González)
Repository: https://github.com/euroargodev/argoonlineschool
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Reviewers: @francispoulin, @djmallum
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