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Alpha and kappa are a bit too close to their latin lookalikes #71

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Enivex opened this issue Apr 25, 2024 · 14 comments · Fixed by #80
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Alpha and kappa are a bit too close to their latin lookalikes #71

Enivex opened this issue Apr 25, 2024 · 14 comments · Fixed by #80

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@Enivex
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Enivex commented Apr 25, 2024

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From left to right: a, alpha, k, kappa

Both could use some further "flourishes" to make them more distinct.

  • The only apparent difference between and alpha is the tiny curly tail.
  • The difference between k and kappa is just an ascender, which is fine in the case of eta versus n (descender). For kappa, it's a little more problematic, because k does not always have an ascender
@khaledhosny
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For italic a, we can switch to double storey variant. Not sure what to do for san-serif k/kappa.

khaledhosny added a commit to khaledhosny/noto-math that referenced this issue Apr 25, 2024
The single-storey a is indistinguishable from alpha, so using
double-storey one is preferable here.

Part of notofonts#71.
khaledhosny added a commit to khaledhosny/noto-math that referenced this issue Apr 25, 2024
The single-storey a is indistinguishable from alpha, so using
double-storey one is preferable here.

Part of notofonts#71.
khaledhosny added a commit to khaledhosny/noto-math that referenced this issue Apr 27, 2024
Make it a little bit cursive to add more contrast between the two
letters.

Fixes notofonts#71
@khaledhosny
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#78:
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#80:
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@berrymot
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i think changing the shape of alpha would be better than having two story a. something more like
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maybe

@khaledhosny
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Feel free to submit such a change.

@berrymot
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how does one edit a .glyph? (new to this, sorry)

@MAZ06
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MAZ06 commented Apr 28, 2024

You mean a sans version of this?
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This is from Noto Serif LGC.

@berrymot
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basically yeah

@MAZ06
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MAZ06 commented Apr 29, 2024

Maybe @Mercury13 could draw it.

@simoncozens
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This was closed automatically when the kappa PR was merged, but alpha is still open.

@simoncozens simoncozens reopened this Apr 29, 2024
@MAZ06
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MAZ06 commented Apr 29, 2024

I was surprised to see the lowercase alpha so similar to the lowercase a. If a new sans alpha is drawn, I suggest it get added to Noto Sans LGC as the default glyph and the current sans alpha be moved to being an alternative.

@moyogo
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moyogo commented Apr 29, 2024

The Greek in Noto Sans was updated a couple of years ago. Are those not adequate?

@MAZ06
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MAZ06 commented Apr 29, 2024

Wow that was a fast reply!

The Greek in Noto Sans seems adequate to me. Obviously a Greek speaker would read the lowercase alpha correctly, but I feel like a lowercase alpha should look closer to its Noto Serif counterpart. At least in my opinion.

What do the Unicode docs say about it?

@Mercury13
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@MAZ06 is absolutely right. Need mathematical alpha.

@khaledhosny
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The Greek in Noto Sans was updated a couple of years ago. Are those not adequate?

We seem to be using a mix of the old and new Greek, I opened #81 to track this.

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