Cinnamon freezes, only mouse pointer can move around. Linux Mint 17.1 #3275
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Have you looked in the system logs (in the /var/log/ folder), which might say what is going on? |
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I can't find anything suspicious in the logs. |
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I had the same problem but updating the linux kernel from the stock (3.13) to latest (currently 3.15.7) seems to have fixed it. (I hope) |
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It's hard to believe that a different Kernel would fix this kind of problem that seems to be so top level, window manager related. But I have updated to the current Kernel to give it a try. Unfortunately the sporadic crashes on alt-tab persist. |
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The problem occurs on alt-tab, seemingly particulary when pressing this command during the startup of an application. It just happened earlier and i switched to another tty with Ctl+Alt+F1, logged in and typed: egrep -i 'error|fail' ~/.xsession-errors here is a picture of the output:
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Another occurance: |
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I'm facing this issue while switching workspaces with Ctrl+Alt+Left/Right. |
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@shirish87 I'll start using Ctl+Alt+Left/Right to see if I get freezes. Would you mind trying to use Ctl+Alt+(shift)+Tab? This way we can figure out if it is the same issue. Give it a few hours/days before drawing a conclusion. |
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Agreed :) |
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Very good qustion. I'm afraid I am not qualified to answer that. @clfarron4 says something about the system logs. I couldn not find anything there what seems relevant though. |
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Just experienced the freeze again, and this time it was when I clicked a minimized window. @mxa, I think this happens whenever we switch away from the current window, either while switching workspaces or tabs or restoring a minimized window.
In my experience, I think I've always had a browser window (Maxthon) in the foreground and switched away from it. Update: The most recent freeze on my machine correlates to a segfault caused by Maxthon. @mxa The next time you experience a freeze, please check the above logs on your system. Update 2: Ignore all of the above. Finally tracked my issue to be caused by Variety (wallpaper changer). Thanks. |
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I've restrained myself not to use Ctl.+Alt+(Shift)+Tab any more. I use Ctl.+Alt+Left/Right to switch between workspaces rather than changing the Z order of apps now. This is running stable for me. No crashes. Also I never had problems minimizing applications by clicking on the taskbar. I start to think we have two different issues. |
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@shirish87 nothing suspicious in my logs after the freeze. I was able to restart cinnamon with Ctl.+Alt+Backspace however this time. |
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The issue with the window alt-tabber still exists in current Cinnamon master (workaround for now is use a different alt-tab style), but I'm hoping the freeze issue is fixed now - are there any brave souls here that could try the nightly ppa? |
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what's the different alt-tab style? Is the nightly PPA this one: ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/cinnamon-nightly ? |
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If you go into Settings->Windows-> Alt-Tab Switcher Style - use preview, coverflow, or timeline for now. Yes, that's the nightly. If you're on Mint though, you can't just add it, update, and upgrade. Instead, do this after adding the ppa and apt-get updating:
If you use nemo-preview, you'll want to uninstall that first. |
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@mtwebster thank you so much for the workaround - I had no more freezes since. I'm not brave enough to try the nightly as I'm in the middle of production. |
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After some weeks I can say that this workaround does reduce the likelyhood of a freeze drastically, but it still happens some times. I have now "Window preview (No icons)" selected in the Window properties. |
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I can confirm the problem is still here. It append when I switch windows from the taskbar. It's like this one #2946 |
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I just tried with a live USB on an other PC, a laptop with intel integrated graphics (I have a desktop with Nvidia GPU) and I had a freeze in 2mn simply by quickly switching windows and moving windows order from the taskbar. So I guess everyone install of Linux Mint 17.1 has the bug but it occur ramdomly when you switch/move windows with the tasktar or with alt+tab. |
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I've been experiencing a similar issue. Everything on the desktop freezes, but the mouse cursor. |
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Same, I've been getting these random Cinnamon glitches on all my Mint 17 setups. I can restart cinnamon by opening another tty (e.g. CTRL + ALT + F2) and, after logging in as root, killall -9 cinnamon |
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For me, the glitches are momentary. I'm not sure what triggers them, but video playback seems to make it last longer. Normally it's only a few hundred milliseconds every 5 or 6 seconds under a normal load. Everything freezes except the mouse cursor for that period. For instance, I can rapidly drag a window in a continuous circle, and when the freeze happens, my cursor continues in the circle while everything else on the screen is frozen. Alternatively, I can hold a key on the keyboard, and get a steady rate of input of that character, but when the glitch occurs, everything on the screen freezes. After a short pause, everything "catches up" to where it should be—i.e., the window "reattaches" to where the mouse cursor's new location, and the keystrokes that were not displayed appear all at once. My guess would be that it has something to do with threading in the composite manager, or something similar... |
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Same issue here. When Cinnamon freezes, the only icon I can click on is the menu. The menubar and others are frozen. I have to open a new program (mostly Firefox) and my desktop wakes up. I never had such a "problem" in my previous versions. But this makes it interesting, isn't it :-) |
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@mtwebster I am now using the nightly and my cinnamon is version 2.4.6-20150210040008-trusty. The freeze is still occurring sometimes, albeit not as often as before. When it is occurring I can still quit Cinnamon with Ctl+Alt+Backspace (loosing all open applications). That's a little bit more convenient then having to do a hardware reset. |
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@mxa You can avoid losing all open applications by:
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That is definitely not working. On coming back to F8 everything is still freezed, mouse still moves. |
Yes. The one where the mouse moves but it takes minutes for any applications to popup including web browser and pages.
Let me clarify. I meant that you should make sure the box is ticked on Network Settings, under Time and Date on desktop. That's where my time is shown anyways. Left Click it.
All I can tell you is that it worked for me. The issue at hand is the freezing issue, and making sure the time couldn't 'change' by itself fixed the freezing issue. Making sure the little box is ticked, ensures that the Time cannot change by itself because it is 'ticked' in the little box. NOTE: fixing the TIME so that it cannot CHANGE by itself FIXED the FREEZING issue in LINUX MINT. I hope that clarifies for you.** |
For me, it happens when I open a video with VLC; About 1/20 chance of everything freezing (can still move mouse though). Seems to happen right when the window appears. It's daily for me at this point. Twice in the last hour. I have never encountered this with xfce mint (which I also use daily) so I doubt the problem lies with VLC. |
Please notice that this issue has been closed, and it is five years old. Most people either live with this or have moved on to something different. I could not locate the problem in the source code. |
It may be closed as an issue but it's still a PITA for users. Speaking personally it started after I added an Nvidia graphics card(GTX710) and Cinnamon now locks up every day or two. I fix it with a Ctrl-Alt-Esc restart of Cinnamon. But it's still annoying.
I have 16GB installed and rarely use more than 4 unless I'm doing heavy duty GIMP work.
And I have no USB3 devices.
True, but It's still annoying though! And enough to mean Cinnamon is currently But the cause remains a mystery. |
I have also seen it mostly with Nvidia cards, but cant be 100% sure that is the main problem, I have seen that happen with some virt settings. As for having 16GB of Ram.. plenty of it will be used by caches, etc, and that is good, you dont want to have unused memory! )Just look at the most recent Lunus Torvalds rant) .. but that means that you will have page faults, etc. Last time I tested the project, one year ago, the problems were still there. |
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I've encountered the once-every-few-seconds pauses on a couple systems, and have been able to get past it with either software or hardware changes. On my previous laptop, I had Intel graphics, 16GB RAM, and mSATA 500GB SSD from the beginning. I experienced the issue for a year or two, and had to periodically restart cinnamon because the amount of time of the pause would increase gradually over several days. With help from the community and devs, I tracked it down to one or two panel apps, which I disabled. I use those apps on my new laptop (also 16GB RAM, Intel graphics, but a PRO-series NVMe SSD) and don't experience the pauses. My wife experienced the cinnamon pauses on her laptop, not using those panel apps. The system had 8GB RAM, SATA hybrid (+SSD) spinning disk, and NVIDIA graphics (nouveau driver). She rarely ate into swap, and got the pauses when there was no swap use and plenty of RAM available. Restarting cinnamon about weekly helped reset the pause delay. Recently I added another 8GB of RAM and replaced the disk with a SATA SSD (just cloned the contents of the old drive, so same setup otherwise). The pauses stopped entirely. My desktop system has a spinning disk and 16GB of RAM, with Intel graphics (and dual displays), and I've never had the pauses there. Systems at work where I run cinnamon all have NVMe or SATA SSDs, at least 16GB of RAM, and various video setups (Intel with linux drivers, and NVIDIA with vendor drivers), and I've experienced no glitches there either. |
To clarify, I have 16 gigs of ram and a gtx 1070. I know the issue is old but it is quite egregious in my opinion and I don't feel it should fall by the way side. But, as you say most people have chosen to deal with it or move on and I guess I'll begrudgingly have to join the latter. |
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Update: I switched to xfce and while not nearly as often, I can confirm the problem exists there as well. For comparison, I am running xfce on my laptop with integrated graphics and mesa drivers and have never had this problem occur; only on my desktop which has a GTX 1070 and Nvidia drivers. So I have a strong suspicion the problem (at least in my case) is related to Nvidia. Hopefully this information is useful to someone. |
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I got this problem on a pure-Intel laptop with Archlinux I support. It freezes to a degree not even TTY-switches are possible. The mouse is still movable, though. When I This issue pretty much destroys the Linux experience for this particular user, so I'd be really glad if a solution was found. Do the maintainers have a suspicion what causes this? How can we help? |
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I have this problem - or a variant on it - on a Thinkpad X230. The problem is: sometimes, on alt-tabbing, with Coverflow 3D, the coverflow animation freezes halfway between two images. One of the images continues to update, e.g. if it were a changing webpage then the preview images changes with it, but I can't get out of the coverflow view without entering tty or raising elephants. I will test with coverflow disabled. EDIT: I find that the alt-tab options other than coverflow-3d all work fine. I will open a new issue if that is desired. Cinnamon 4.2.3 |
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I think the xf86-video-intel driver may be the source of the cinnamon freezing problem for users with Intel GPUs: You can try removing xf86-video-intel and use the default |
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Thansk, TheJJ, I will investigate this properly when I get the time. Surely, though, use the modeset driver will cripple performance - and at present I have everything important working, except the '3d coverflow' alt-tab thing. |
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Im still here wow Aug 3, 2018 anyway i have cinamon freezes a lot also |
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I find that the affected machine does have the xf86-video-intel driver, at least not as such - it does have |
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I too have been having this random 'freeze up' problem (Mint 19.2.) which doesn't seem to leave traces (for a beginner like me). Here's how I finally 'fixed' it. Go to your "Date and time" (click with left mouse button), then click on "Date and Time Settings". That's it, that's how I fixed random Linux Mint freezes. I have 16GB of ram (probably not the issue) I hope this helps. Thanks to Artemis333! |
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Another freeze, only Firefox running. "Data and time" -trick is not a real fix. |
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UPDATE: Dunno how that's related, but I installed zram-config after a stream of constant freezes. Although I did have freezes again, immediately after installing zram-config they didn't happen for over half an hour. After that, they kept happening with less frequency than before. BUT... they were "harder" than before, in that restarting X with CTRL+Alt+Backspace wasn't patching things for over 1-2 minutes unless I did a full restart of the VM. And now on to my original reply: It doesn't seem to be a Mint problem. I've been jumping through distros lately, and I noticed it happening in both Peppermint and the latest Mint. I'm on an old Core i7 2600K with an Nvidia 970. In both flavors of Linux, I had to CTRL+Alt+Backspace for the desktop to be responsive again, if at all. I think, though, that the problem might be found in the last place we'd expect: something related to the inputs. No graphics drivers, no Cinnamon bugs. The reason? I stumbled on this conversation after having Mint with Cinnamon freezing on me again, in the latest version of VirtualBox, mere minutes ago. I watched in horror as I hadn't saved half an hour of work. Clicking anywhere in Krita with the mouse did nothing. The desktop felt semi-responsive, though, in that I could launch other stuff that would, in turn, freeze seconds after starting. Start terminal, enter top, check stuff, exit top, stuck. Run System Monitor, watch the list of running processes re-arrange for 2-3 seconds, frozen. Yadda-yadda-yadda. And then, I alt-tabbed. And I could move back to Krita. The mouse did nothing, but pressing ALT+F, the File menu appeared as normal. I was able to navigate Krita with the keyboard and save my work. When using the mouse, nothing would respond and the program would feel "frozen". Dunno if it was a one-off case or it might help in solving the problem in the long run. |
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Problem exists here on a Manjaro installation running Cinnamon. I really love Cinnamon but this is a serious problem not being reliable. It is my working machine.
It often happens when I click around in vscode, but that might be coincidence, as I'm working in there most of the time. I don't know, why this issue has been closed... |
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My problem went away when I bought a new Nvidia graphics card.
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can move around. Linux Mint 17.1 (#3275)
Problem exists here on a Manjaro installation running Cinnamon.
Everything keeps running fine except the ui. I can go to Terminal
(ctrl+alt+f6) and run htop to kill Cinnamon and then after some
seconds I can log in, but all programs of course are closed.
I really love Cinnamon but this is a serious problem not being
reliable. It is my working machine.
I mostly use:
* Thunderbird
* Ferdi (Franz)
* Google-Chrome
* lots of docker containers
* Visual Studio Code, often multiple instances.
* sometimes xed
It often happens when I click around in vscode, but that might be
coincidence, as I'm working in there most of the time.
It can run perfectly for weeks, but also can freeze after an hour.
I don't know, why this issue has been closed...
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Problem follows with other linux distributions in my case (Mint 19 with 5.x kernel, Arch with 5.3 kernel and LMDE4). I have Ryzen 1700X with old AMD Radeon (which I will eventually update). I have been let to believe that this is processor problem (or BIOS or PSU or combination). No crashed since I set C-state control disabled from BIOS (only few days of testing done). http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7890 |
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Hello, |
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@tos69400 You got an NVIDIA GPU? (on later mint versions I think 18.3 it went away - BUT it could also been cuz I changed NVIDIA GPU driver. |
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@Rubenzahl |
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On 18/04/2020 20:33, Rubenzahl wrote:
@tos69400 <https://github.com/tos69400> You got an NVIDIA GPU? (on later
mint versions I think 18.3 it went away - BUT it could also been cuz I
changed NVIDIA GPU driver.
I was still having it on Mint 18.3 - every other day - but I just
upgraded to 19.2 and it has disappeared. 3 weeks without a single lock-up.
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Hi,
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No crashes since I set C-state control disabled from BIOS (almost 2 months of testing done). |
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Im getting this still. After changing cmdline settings and updating my bios to try to fix the spectre and other related vulnerabiltieis. Once I isolate my issue Ill post |
I've been having these hangups on my machine with a Ryzen 1700, will test your suggestion. In my case I don't even have keyboard input, so no terminal, just mouse pointer without being able to click anything. |
and others
I have sporadic freezes with Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon 64, only the mouse pointer can move. I can switch to another terminal. Programs keep running, music keeps playing (until the next song), just interaction with the desktop is impossible and screen gets not updated (except the mouse pointer). This happens when pressing alt+tab or alt+shift+tab, but is not reliably reproducable.
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