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Make pip and venv installation instructions more visible #3281

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astrojuanlu opened this issue Nov 7, 2023 · 7 comments · Fixed by #3686
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Make pip and venv installation instructions more visible #3281

astrojuanlu opened this issue Nov 7, 2023 · 7 comments · Fixed by #3686
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Currently we're favouring conda in our installation instructions as the "recommended approach" https://docs.kedro.org/en/stable/get_started/install.html

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But the Python packaging ecosystem is very fragmented, and conda usage for environment isolation seems to be around 22 % +- 1 % of the overall userbase:

Closer analysis reveals that conda usage is declining or stagnating around 41 % of data scientists, with 73 % reporting that they use virtualenv, Pipenv, or Poetry. From the raw data, these are the numbers I came up with:

Year None virtualenv + Pipenv + Poetry conda Other
2020 14.9 % 72.0 % 44.6 % 35.2 %
2021 16.2 % 70.0 % 40.9 % 37.0 %
2022 16.1 % 73.1 % 40.8 % 37.1 %

Among non-data scientists, conda usage lies between 13 % and 15 %.

In addition, an informal survey in Slack surfaced what I've been suspecting for long: that users have a "global" Kedro, plus a project-specific Kedro. For the "global" one, users have mentioned a variety of solutions: conda, pyenv, pipx, rtx, and more https://linen-slack.kedro.org/t/16040768/u05bdslpj72-finally-gave-the-steps-in-https-kedro-org-slack-#db2c34ed-43bf-4479-839c-5a4fb4154a10

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In summary, I think we should

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Let's do this. I think a new page specifically about virtual environments may be the best place to do this so it doesn't clutter the get started instructions. It means it's a separate click away but then it's all self-contained. Some decent keyword optimization and we could even start ranking if we do a good job.

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astrojuanlu commented Nov 7, 2023

Is there a way to tweak the actual installation instructions at https://docs.kedro.org/en/stable/get_started/install.html to have the pip install kedro on top (possibly coupled with python -m venv .venv for the actual environment creation), and then add extra info in a virtual environments page as you mention?

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Yes definitely. I won't be able to do that today but if you want to make a start and put a PR together, go ahead, otherwise I'll pick it up as soon as I can get to it.

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Possible text for this that's used on vizro: 8e222fe.

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DimedS commented Mar 6, 2024

@astrojuanlu , during my onboarding at McKinsey, I learned that the company recommends using VSCode + conda environments, supported by analytics indicating it's a globally popular choice. I recall the same recommendation from the company course "Introduction to Software Engineering Principles for Data Scientists and Data Engineers." It appears you and @stichbury were responsible for that course. Does this mean you set this standard across the company? Should we consider revising it as well?

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About the internal recommendations, let's talk about those in private.

About my own preference and what was included in the ISWE4DX course (you can see more about that here kedro-org/kedro-devrel#12 and also in https://github.com/kedro-org/kedro-academy/tree/main/iswe4dx/environment-dependencies), it's rooted on the fact that sometimes installing old packages on old Python versions and non-Linux architectures is easier with conda than with pip. However, this is evolving a lot, and in fact recently we've solved the last issue that was preventing me from completely ditching conda kedro-org/kedro-plugins#402

So I still think conda is a nice tool and ecosystem, but

So, with all these in mind, it's in our best interest to align ourselves with the broader Python ecosystem.

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DimedS commented Mar 6, 2024

  • Not all packages are in conda-forge, sometimes you end up having to use pip inside conda environments - and this can create lots of problems for folks that are not experts in packaging

You right, the strange part of that recommendation was: VsCode + conda env + pip, I agree that better to change conda to virtualenv.

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