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Voting for new logo #1516

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lunny opened this issue Apr 19, 2017 · 82 comments · Fixed by #2194
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Voting for new logo #1516

lunny opened this issue Apr 19, 2017 · 82 comments · Fixed by #2194
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@lunny
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lunny commented Apr 19, 2017

@qdbdbp @kolaente Let's vote for Gitea's new Logo. First reply is for @kolaente and the second is for @qdbdbp and other replies before that will be deleted. The vote duration is from now until v1.2 release (about 10 days) I think or we have to put this to v1.3.

@lunny lunny added this to the 1.2.0 milestone Apr 19, 2017
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bkcsoft commented Apr 19, 2017

Logo by @kolaente #1312 (comment)

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bkcsoft commented Apr 19, 2017

Logo by @qdbdbp #1260 (comment)

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bkcsoft commented Apr 19, 2017

Just a quick heads-up on both though... Using the Git-logo in our logo is actually not legal: https://git-scm.com/trademark ... And technically neither is using the term "Git" in the name 🙄

So before starting to use this logo, we should send an email to trademark@sfconservancy.org asking if it's okey...

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agaida commented Apr 19, 2017

But the SF are more or less nice people, they allowed the usage for gitolite, GitLab, but one should ask for the written permission

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lunny commented Apr 20, 2017

@strk please comment after that two vote replies. So I deleted your comment.

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bkcsoft commented Apr 20, 2017

@agaida Both of those have been Grandfathered, and none of them use the git-logo in their logo (and never have)

Also from Gitolites website: http://gitolite.com/gitolite/index.html#license

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GIT is a trademark of Software Freedom Conservancy and my use of "Gitolite" is under license.

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andreynering commented Apr 20, 2017

So, I think we will have to rewrite the tea tag to remove the Git reference. Is there any other generic symbol that refer to VCS?

@jhasse
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jhasse commented Apr 20, 2017

I would wait for the response from SF first.

@kifirkin
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I think VS Code changed git icon to this one because of license issues

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@jhasse
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jhasse commented Apr 20, 2017

because of license issues

Do you have a source for this? I think it was because they added support for other VCSs, e.g. SVN.

@kifirkin
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@jhasse No I have no source of this icon 😞

@kolaente
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@alexmironof i think he means a proof, not a source file

@gravemalte
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@jhasse They just improved it. No license issue.

Source: microsoft/vscode#18675 (comment)

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pgaskin commented Apr 20, 2017

@bkcsoft

https://git-scm.com/trademark

In addition, you may not use any of the Marks as a syllable in a new word or as part of a portmanteau (e.g., "Gitalicious", "Gitpedia") used as a mark for a third-party product or service without Conservancy's written permission. For the avoidance of doubt, this provision applies even to third-party marks that use the Marks as a syllable or as part of a portmanteau to refer to a product or service's use of Git code.

@kolaente
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So, we need a new name?

@jhasse
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jhasse commented Apr 20, 2017

So, we need a new name?

Or Conservancy's written permission.

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bkcsoft commented Apr 21, 2017

@jhasse @geek1011 @kolaente Just to clarify, I'm not saying we should change the name. I'm just saying that we should not put the git-logo in our logo, since that would just put us more in violation with their trademark.

And the "punchline" Git with a cup of tea can still live on, even if the name might change in the future 😉

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priyadarshan commented Apr 21, 2017

Like for many things, the name is an important aspect of an application. A name definitely can influence its development and future, in some ways, practical or more subtle.

"Gitea" is a nice name, still it seems to me it does not reflect the broader and deeper aspect of what it offers.

In my humble opinion, "Gitea" is cute and entertains of course an echo of culinary culture, perhaps also hinting to its possible social nature, but it does not fully convey its potential.

I am afraid an application of a much broader nature and so promising like this is would be negatively affected by a wrong name.

Unfortunately, to some cultures, even the name gogs might have been not a good choice.

This project would deserver a name deeply connected with its nature, with a short and nice sound (although two syllables do help form a rhythm), and it should have a unique feeling, charged with newness and enthusiasm , like its vision and its community.

Please consider changing the name of gitea. This is the right time, the beginning of a new phase, when the application is allowed to unfold more of its potential. Or, at least allow for more choices to come in, so that a freer deliberation could be made by the maintainers.

In any case, thank you so much for this wonderful app. It is truly a first-class app.

@jcgruenhage
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jcgruenhage commented Apr 21, 2017

Another way would be to just take a branch of tea leafs, but I have no idea how to make that into a nice flat icon ;D

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@priyadarshan even now, changing the name will require a lot of work, since that would mean a lot of code changes, a new domain, moving this repo, and so on.

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A name is such a vital aspect to an application, that perhaps should be seen as a long term investment, worth the extra work. Of course, the more the wait, the more work it would require. Still, it should not be taken lightly, or hurriedly.

As per the domain name change, I pledge to donate $100 to support an eventual domain change, just let me know, in due time, where to donate.

I am just a very new, grateful user of gitea. I will be happy with whatever decision the maintainers will support.

@jcgruenhage
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I forgot the hardest part: Coming up with a good name. Anyone got any suggestions?

@priyadarshan
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priyadarshan commented Apr 21, 2017

Thank you for the chance. A possibility:
tigriver tig is a name for tag, and also git spelled backward. River implies the visual image of flowing together of all branches. It is a three-syllable, but seems pleasant to hear.

As far as I know, it does not seem to be used by a commercial company.

Edit: Other possibilities:

  • GitRiver
  • PanGit (pan meaning "all-inclusive")
  • GitGo

GitGo being my favourite.

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strk commented Apr 21, 2017 via email

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lcges commented Apr 21, 2017

I propose to write an official inquiry to trademark@sfconservancy.org
This will solve our doubts.
As for the name "Gitea" is very cool and eloquent - you can quickly remember.

@priyadarshan Git in reverse?? Poor concept.

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priyadarshan commented Apr 21, 2017

Sorry you did not like the first attempt. What do you think about the others?

It seems to me my initial comment is still pertinent.

Perhaps others would like to put more ideas on the table.

Edit: After searching, it seems the name tig is already been used to denote a git tool: Tig: text-mode interface for Git

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ulm0 commented Jul 23, 2017

Ya, @whilei designs are really badass!

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whilei commented Jul 23, 2017

I don't mean to butt-in or cause confusion, but thought I would add a separate poll in case it may be helpful. My designs were posted 4 and 5 days (respectively) after the initial logo proposals.

logo name
gitea-g g
gitea-cup cup
sprout sprout



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lafriks commented Jul 23, 2017

@whilei but still your designs got less votes than @qdbdbp so it was decided to use it and just modify not to have copyright issues with git logo.

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lcges commented Jul 24, 2017

logo_gitea.svg.zip

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lcges commented Jul 25, 2017

In my opinion, I lost the original idea of the logo that I designed.
Now the proposal @whilei seems to me more interesting, more modern.
Maybe as we work on the original colors of "Gitea" we will work out some good logotyp.
gitea

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lafriks commented Jul 25, 2017

@qdbdbp @whilei design is nice but somehow I don't like shades in background

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Which is the new logo? When we will have a decision? I think posting more logos will not make it easier to determine which logo is "the best".

@lunny
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lunny commented Jul 27, 2017

see #2194

@kifirkin
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kifirkin commented Aug 31, 2017

@lunny I think @whilei logos looks more modern and more professionally designed than @qdbdbp and why community doesnt choose them?

The answer is simple - 2 days delay. People opened this issue and choosed from two logos first, voted and then never opened this issue again.

I think good idea to start voting from scratch and post all logos at once so everybody have some more options to choose from

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jhasse commented Aug 31, 2017

Before this issue, there were others with lots of ideas (#1121, #1260, #1312). To open yet another one will just result in bike-shedding.

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kifirkin commented Aug 31, 2017

3 issues with 6 logos, nice 🤣 Why not to gather them all in one place? And this is proof that in #1516 people just vote for 2 well known logos.

Also @qdbdbp mentioned @whilei logo is more modern and interesting.
P.S. Look carefully at Gogs logo - it is also well designed.
I dont want to hurt somebody feelings, but current logo seem like "Hello from 90's"

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Also if you subtract downvotes from upvotes - the winner is @kolaente

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jhasse commented Aug 31, 2017

At some point you'll have to settle on a logo.

And this is proof that in #1516 people just vote for 2 well known logos.

Yes, because those were the two most popular suggestions at the time.

Also if you subtract downvotes from upvotes - the winner is @kolaente

Voting is over, the current state isn't representative anymore (for example people who dislike the logo on try.gitea.io might come here and downvote it).

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kifirkin commented Aug 31, 2017

Voting is over, the current state isn't representative anymore (for example people who dislike the logo on try.gitea.io might come here and downvote it).

The state of downvotes was correct at the time when pull request arrived, it doesn't changed so much through time.

Millions of lemmings can't be wrong!

If you think rationally not only community votes makes good choice

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Also only clear thinking mades my decision to move from gogs to gitea, because it seems unmaintained, but community choose gogs(it has about 20k stars)

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jhasse commented Aug 31, 2017

The state of downvotes was correct at the time when pull request arrived

I didn't know that. I guess if down-votes were to be substracted from the voting, that should have been made clear in the beginning. Without explicit mentioning I wouldn't expect it.

If you think rationally not only community votes makes good choice

Yes, so?

but community choose gogs(it has about 20k stars)

Gogs was around a lot longer that's why it has more stars.

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lcges commented Aug 31, 2017

GOGS is a older project - compared to him, the new project is stupidity.
Do you think people will not go to Gitea because there is a "different" logo than Gogs?

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Gogs was around a lot longer that's why it has more stars.

It has more start because of nice logo 😉

@jhasse
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jhasse commented Aug 31, 2017

It has more start because of nice logo 😉

No, it didn't even have the current logo from the beginning.

@kifirkin
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Yes, previous logo seems more popular 😄
http://www.timqian.com/star-history/#go-gitea/gitea

@jhasse
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jhasse commented Aug 31, 2017

Why do you think that? I don't see any decline of the gradient since July.

@kifirkin
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From start up it has a huge gain.

So I think we should stop flooding about personal decisions. My decision is good looking, professianally designed and modern logo

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@alexmironof The decision was made to use the logo with the most votes. If you think it's so bad that there needs to be a new vote, open a new issue with objective arguments against the current logo. If enough people agree with you, a new vote could be proposed, but I don't see it happening.
People chose for the current logo, and if anything is bad for brand identity, it's changing logos every few months.

@kifirkin
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@lesderid If anythings is bad for brand identity it is only a bad brand identity position.
Like choosing not the best logo available or bad contribution model

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ptman commented Aug 31, 2017

Isn't it very simple to override the logo in custom/ ? Please focus your effort on getting a new release out instead of logo bikeshedding.

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lcges commented Aug 31, 2017

Please suggest some modern logo that you think is correct.
At this time it's just trolling.
We focus on important things - the logo theme was already considered.

If you have a problem with this, maybe it's better to be with Gogs because it has a better logo.

I think Gitea is already bright years ahead of Gogs with an "ugly" logo ...

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kifirkin commented Aug 31, 2017

Ive suggested it before

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The vote is over and a logo have been taken and integrated.

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