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Do you have any examples? The mix tape is still released on a single date |
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Thanks for your answer and sorry for the late reply. I might not have phrased it correctly, I'm not speaking of hip-hop (“professional”) mix-tapes (+ pros are not necessarily the most eager taggers btw), but of mix-tapes people send one another, i.e. compilations… But the use of tags is by essence conventional. The “date” tag is no exception… For instance, if you include in your 2020 mix "Dazed and confused, you might tag it:
In communities where people create mixes for other users, it is common practice (even though not necessarily a norm) to chose to keep the year of the original release date of the song (or its recording date) in the “year” tag, rather than that of the mix. Precisely to give an idea to the listener of when in time it was, what version was chosen, etc. e.g. And now here is the compilation viewed from Ampache Hence my suggestion:
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Perhaps I can fill in some missing information. Ampache uses Musicbrainz as it's cataloging system, and that's where the mbid (Musicbrainz ID) comes from. With a few exceptions, they would not issue a MBID for your downloaded mixtape, and that's where the album year (date compiled) would come from. However, each one of the recordings that you'd listed has an MBID for it, from the original 1969 version, to the 1971 live version. For MusicBrainz to properly tag the recordings, I'd recommend cataloging the tracks to their original albums, then making an Ampache playlist for the tracks you wanted to include. You can modify the date, and change any other metadata that way. |
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@SimonHova I think you are mistaken here. Ampache resorts to Musicbrainz, only when lacking information… or at least that is what it is supposed to do in my case :
In this case, it actually does exactly that, since the 1982 version of D.M.S.R. is filed under the funky monkey compilation and not under Sacrifice. Additionnally, if I decide to lose the info of the chronology and file everything under the same year, it will work fine (despite 1997, 1998, 2001, etc. tracks) : The issue is not what metadata is stored, rather how they are handled… A decision needed to be taken when two tracks shared the same album name, with different years and artist. And the decision was that they are different albums. It has not always been the case as ampache used to file The W and W as the same album (≠ year ≠ artist). I ended up erasing planningtorock… We do not want to go back to that. The problem is that an album requires a year (as part of a multiple key): But I still think, there should be room for allowing keeping track of the original recording when getting a compilation. The information is valuable to the listener, see the info made available on the Pixies' complete b-side for instance. After digging into the DB, the system actually allows to do what I want (and what would seem the most logical to me): an album year different from each track's year : The problems are:
Problem 2 does not seem too complicated. For problem 3, the license should start with an empty field. Problem 1 could be solved by adding another combo box, next to the year tag (or with the other combo boxes) saying "Do not alter track year" or something of the sort… The problem remains concerning automatic indexation. In this case, I stick with my suggestion, refined as :
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I propose a solution to store the year of the songs in the compilations. When you create or update a catalog, if a song has a release_type equals to "Compilation", the tag 'original_year' of the song can be stored in the field 'year' of the table 'songs' and ignore the field 'original_year' in the table 'albums' Another solution to populate this field ('year' in table 'songs') could be use the frame TDRC (Recording time) of ID3v2.4, and the frame TDRL (Release time) for the field 'year' in table 'albums' |
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I have found many mix-tapes with tracks having the year of the original release rather than that of the mix (which I actually like) and ampache treats them as separate albums (which is understandable, in that different bands might give the same name to an album years apart). Maybe the tracks could be kept together when the "album artist" and "album name" tags are consistent over the different tracks from different years and authors ? (especially when they are in the same directory)
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