Move from Github

[Allanitomwesh]

Microsoft has just acquired GitHub. It's a good idea to consider a move to another service like NotABug before the house here goes "under new management"

[stefan-niedermann]

I would suggest GitLab if moving is an option :)

[beerisgood]

Selfhosted git would be better

[TacoTheDank]

(Got this from the inshorts app, as I got a notification about this and was initially concerned)
https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/04/microsoft-has-acquired-github-for-7-5b-in-microsoft-stock/

"And many in the company were defending Microsoft’s commitment to GitHub and its principles, even before the deal was announced."
The sentence right after is a tweet:
From Mat Velloso (on Twitter): "I don't think people understand how many of us at Microsoft love GitHub to the bottom of our hearts. If anybody decided to mess with that community, there would be a riot to say the least"

read the rest of the article too tho

quite sure you guys are fine :/

[giner]

Microsoft today is a way different from Microsoft 10 or 20 years ago. I'm surprising myself saying this now but this is true.

[tuxayo]

Using a libre/open source tool would still be much better. After all this is a FOSS-friendly fork of Telegram. So this project seem to have it's roots in will using libre/open source stuff. Is that correct?

[tuxayo]

quite sure you guys are fine :/

Microsoft today is a way different from Microsoft 10 or 20 years ago. I'm surprising myself saying this now but this is true.

Is there a difference of is it just that the different markets have changed in a way so that they have an interest in all theses things? Like hosting Linux servers, keeping GitHub nice for everyone, SQL Server on Linux, some FOSS programs like Visual Studio Code.

Especially with non libre/open source tools, depending on a company that did bad things in the past is almost asking for new issues. Or at least it shows that we quickly don't care even after bad stuff happened. So no reason for them to care about non paid users if the situation puts the best interest in another place.

Even as consumers, we should flee monopolies (GitHub and all the services that integrate only with it) they can so easily get bad for us. And flee concentrations of power that are becoming (or already are) partial monopolies in some branches of the IT world (Microsoft).

[TacoTheDank]

let's remember what happened to Skype when Microsoft bought it, shit got worse and more and more stuff got locked behind a paywall, among lots of other things

also it's possible Microsoft could make it extremely difficult or even impossible to change hosts from GitHub to competitors (like GitLab, BitBucket, SourceForge, Teknik, even self hosting)

moving to a different host is something that should always be on the table

[Allanitomwesh]

Github itself is not ideal for a FOSS project to begin with. It is poorly ranked by the FSF. Now the boss is Microsoft, it can only get more proprietary not more open. GitTea is nice option, Gitlab if you self host it as well. Since this project focuses on FOSS, it is important for the project to be accessible by FOSS developers, who are probably running a free Linux Distro (like Debian Main or Trisquel) and block non-free JavaScript with tools like NoScript

[tuxayo]

Gitlab if you self host it as well.

Or just using another instance than GitLab.com, then the other instance would run the FOSS version

[TacoTheDank]

cough teknik and notabug works too cough

[beerisgood]

@Allanitomwesh Gitea devs doesnt seem very trustworthy to me: go-gitea/gitea#4167

Github is fine. Also remember Gitlab is hosted on Microsoft Azure server and they planned switch to Google

[tuxayo]

remember Gitlab is hosted on Microsoft Azure server

Only for GitLab.com (which runs the non-FOSS version). Most other instances are fine about the hosting. And even if hosted on Azure, using a FOSS forge which have many other instance where one can move to if the current one does "bad things" if much much better than a non-FOSS one with just one public instance.

[davux]

Github's problem is not that it's owned by Microsoft. Github's problem is that it's centralised.

[moriel5]

I personally do not have an issue with Microsoft owning GitHub, however I believe that you should always be wary.

If anyone wants a FOSS version of GitLab, there's a french one (I forget it's name), which hosts the Pepper&Carrot webcomic.
Update: It's called Framagit.

In any case, I agree that it would be a good idea to have the data ready to ve moved at all times, regardless of the platform and company behind it.

[rasos]

We are an open source collective in the alps that offers gitlab hosting at git.fairkom.net - simply ask to create a group.