Has this been abandoned? No updates for some time now #2573
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I don't care much about security since I only browser surface websites. But I can't even download the browser on f-droid giving error cannot verify the file. |
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If it was my project and I'd see some of the poop dumped into the issue tracker, I'd definitely abandon it. Luckily @csagan5 does not seem to get worked up as easily as me, so their reasons for taking time out are probably external to the project. Maybe we should just respect that. |
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That's kind of my point. Asking that "maybe we should just respect" that csagan5 may have external reasons for not updating implies there's a level of _dis_respect in asking about the status of the project. |
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there isn't. there however is disrespect in using explicatives like how they were used in the mentioned issue. especially when there were already issues made beforehand. |
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How could I possibly see that post when it happened after I posted my comment? Ironic that you're telling me to look before commenting. I would ban them too, maybe the lack of moderators is a factor more than being patient. Anyway, every project gets bad apples, and the logic here is that he's possibly taking time out because of the "poop" being posted, so I wanted to know what he was referring to, not some abusive person due that posted last week because of the gap in updates. |
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Those issues are bad. However, "is this project active?" is not an issue. It is good practice to ask broad questions in the discussion forum if it is not answered elsewhere. The original post is not a rude question and it is not disrespectful to the maintainer to ask about the lack of updates. Therefore, it is inappropriate to mention a rude issue and say we should be more respectful in reply to this post. I'm not going to repeat this over and over, but it does bare stressing, because discouraging responsible users from politely asking security questions is dangerous. I'll leave it at that. |
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you are Right |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor The Bus Factor is a dead giveaway of a bad project management system. Hypothetical situation: Let's say something happens to csagan5 (God forbid!). Now what? How will/can the project survive? |
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Let's not forget that open source maintainers working in their free time don't owe their users anything. There is no contract stipulating any kind of support or ongoing development, it's not a commercial product. Also it's the responsibility of the user to make sure it's safe to use. |
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True. And part of the user responsibility lies by asking about the status of the project. There is no demands in asking. |
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Sorry, but it looks like you're missing the point here. It's not about open source maintainers owing their users anything, it's about their users owing them something. For starters, constructive criticism. And, yes, people can be jerks (surprise, surprise!) and there are some difficult discussions around holding back the community rather than allowing it to flourish, but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of Bromite users are simply trying to help the project. |
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"Now what? How will/can the project survive?" Also I came here to say that my F-droid client can't sync with the repo anymore. |
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Turns out the fdroid repo issue is known and devs are working on it #2575 |
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They're Back! |
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Since when lol. Project has been abandoned for weeks. Any alternative browsers? |
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@ckbaudio Brave is a good browser when you disable the bloat. Or use Mull with uBlock Origin |
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Seeing how the last official build is quite outdated by now, I find it somewhat irresponsible to not mention this fact one way or another on the official website, bromite.org Personally I like to see the site is still up as it keeps a shred of hope alight that this project will see a comeback, but if it was my responsibility I'd put a disclaimer somewhere on the top of the page. No idea if @csagan5 might see this, so maybe @uazo could forward the suggestion, provided he is in contact. No hard feelings, wishing everyone all the best and crossing my fingers for a return of Bromite. |
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There is a prompt in the app that links to this page https://www.bromite.org/vulnerable-version |
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Yeah, that's true.
Like I said, it's just a friendly suggestion and I never assumed anybody tried to hide the state of things out of spite or malice. But as we here are all rather security-minded people, I stand by finding it a bit irritating to leave that page the way it is, knowing the potential risks. |
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@csagan5 Please don't abandon this if you can! Bromite is one of the best browsers I have ever used, and I'd hate to see it be abandoned! |
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Really, it's the only adequate browser among others. Which has such extensive features that even extensions are unnecessary, but is not overflowing with bloatware. I use it for years. |
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Maintaining such an open source product isn't easy for a single dev, if he doesn't even have the time to answer (or doesn't feel like answering) we should let him his rest. The good thing is it's open source so others can fork it and as far as I know someone already did. I'm using Mulch and Fulguris as alternatives for now but they a don't fulfill all my requirements. |
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I'm using vanadium...works just as good |
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Is there a way to get Vanadium is you just have regular android? I can't seem to find it anywhere. |
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Mull and Mulch are nice, but Bromite was better. |
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Agree. I'm using Iceraven since Bromite is gone. |
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No, you have to use Graphene OS to get vanadium. TBH, caring about privacy and using stock android is an oxymoron. Each and every single thing you do on stock android gets routed through google play services and ends up at google headquarters, including your keystrokes, even when you use bromite. See link below: https://digitalcontentnext.org/blog/2018/08/21/google-data-collection-research/ It's disgusting what they collect. |
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The report you link here doesn't support your point. No love for Google here, but this paper studies a "LG X Power device with Android 6.0 version installed". A phone model from 2016, using a version of Android that had support dropped 3 years before the experiment, and 8 years ago from present. There is no way it could possibly reflect the modern data collection practices of Google, which have likely changed significantly in purpose, transparency, and volume. Probably not for the better! That's not to mention the various other glaring procedural problems and the blatant bias in the writing. It wasn't a useful case study at the time, and it has no relevance today. Google is hardly so unsuspicious that you need to rely on aesthetically science-themed PDFs from 2018 to prove they harvest data. Try searching "google play services" in Elsevier, Springer, or (gasp!) Google Scholar and filter by date, then access the relevant results (using sci-hub if necessary) with a critical eye. Don't trust everything that agrees with you. This is solely a debunking of the bad information provided. I am not continuing this conversation because it's veering wildly off-topic. |
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Hello, I was just wondering has this project been abandoned because I havent seen an update for more than two and a half months now. Latest stable Chromium released on 27th of January. I was wondering is it safe to use Bromite now with no latest security fixes?
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