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"Cool S" #408

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rektide opened this issue Mar 7, 2018 · 14 comments
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"Cool S" #408

rektide opened this issue Mar 7, 2018 · 14 comments

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@rektide
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rektide commented Mar 7, 2018

The diamond "S" should have a unicode character.

This guy:

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See other examples about: https://mobile.twitter.com/JFriedhoff/status/971174957517590528

@Crissov
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Crissov commented Mar 7, 2018

Hm, as a math symbol? You would need to show some existing uses, the older the better.

@rektide
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rektide commented Mar 7, 2018

This is definitely not a math symbol. :p The tweet was a joke.

It is however a very common ~2 decade old cultural artifact.

@rektide rektide changed the title Diamond "S" "Cool S" Mar 7, 2018
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rektide commented Mar 7, 2018

References:

Wikipedia link

@Crissov
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Crissov commented Mar 8, 2018

I understand that the tweet was a joke, but I'm not sure whether your intention to get this symbol encoded is, too. I suggested treating it as a (math) symbol because otherwise the question whether it should be part of a complete Latin alphabet is inevitable. To be considered for encoding it would need sufficient evidence that it is used either in or like text, not as purely decorative artwork. I highly doubt it would qualify as a new emoji, since the ESC/UTC is now almost only adding pictographs as newly encoded characters. (They are adding an infinity symbol to Emoji 11.0 using an existing character.)

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cnelson commented Apr 16, 2018

Seen in use as a replacement S this weekend in a town with a population < 200. This is clearly in regular use in places divorced from internet culture and should be added.
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@Crissov
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Crissov commented Apr 16, 2018

@cnelson Since it is used as a stylistic variant of a plain S in the word strawberry here, this does nothing to support its encoding as a separate symbol or letter.

@rektide
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rektide commented Jul 20, 2018

We obviously need a "cool" modifier then?

@sdaitzman
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🆒

@marnanel
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What about a ZWJ solution?

U+1F192 SQUARED COOL
U+200D ZERO-WIDTH JOINER
U+0053 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S

@sdelaughter
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I think this genuinely warrants its own character. It's definitely not a math symbol, and while it may sometimes be used as a stylistic 'S' it is much more than that. It's a symbol with unknown origin that many people across many cultures inexplicably draw. I think the best fit would be in the other-symbol group -- think of it as a fleur-de-lis for middle-schoolers. The geometric category could be a good fit as well.

For a recent cultural reference point, see today's XKCD:
https://xkcd.com/2690/

Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_S) lists documented appearances as early as 1973, though there's speculation it dates back to the 1890s. Basquiat even hid them in some of his paintings.

@pinobatch
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Would it work as a variant form of 𝕊 U+1D54A MATHEMATICAL DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL S?

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endrift commented Jan 23, 2023

My suggestion would be the Geometric Shapes Extended block, perhaps as U+1F7F1, as every other block that makes more sense is full, and I don't think this proposal alone justifies assigning a new Miscellaneous Symbols Extended block.

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no-identd commented May 2, 2023

One may find an extensive list of additional references / citations / &c. pp. here, courtesy of @LEMMiN0:

https://www.lemmi.no/p/the-universal-s

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This needs to happen.

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