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Allow GSHP w/ separate backup #1565

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joseph-robertson opened this issue Dec 5, 2023 · 4 comments
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Allow GSHP w/ separate backup #1565

joseph-robertson opened this issue Dec 5, 2023 · 4 comments
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@joseph-robertson
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In ResStock, I tried a GSHP w/ separate backup. It caused the following error:

[10:55:03.754973 ERROR] undefined method 'supp_max_temp' for #<HPXML::AdditionalProperties design_chw=85.0, design_delta_t=10.0, ...

It appears that hpxml_defaults.rb doesn't call HVAC.set_heat_pump_temperatures for GSHP: https://github.com/NREL/OpenStudio-HPXML/blob/master/HPXMLtoOpenStudio/resources/hpxml_defaults.rb#L1483-L1504

This is the line that causes the error: https://github.com/NREL/OpenStudio-HPXML/blob/master/HPXMLtoOpenStudio/resources/hvac.rb#L2902

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@joseph-robertson: Can I ask why you ran this scenario? One of the big advantages of a GSHP is that the ground temperature is much more stable than the outdoor air temperature, so you shouldn't need to have backup heat if you have a GSHP.

Basically, do we think this case is supposed to work? Do we want to support a backup system for GSHPs, or should we have not allowed this combination/error out?

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I was just adding an example GSHP upgrade to our sample files in ResStock. It was not meant to necessarily reflect real world practice.

Sounds like we don't want to allow GSHP with backup. We therefore should gracefully throw a warning or error, and avoid hitting the error above.

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afontani commented Dec 5, 2023

@joseph-robertson , @jmaguire1 : Integrated backup is rare with GSHPs. There are possibly secondary, but not integrated backup systems with GSHPs. I also talked to the lead engineer at Dandelion and they said they rarely use integrated backup systems with their GSHPs, but will if the client asks for it directly.

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shorowit commented Dec 6, 2023

We shouldn't prevent it just because its uncommon, but it's certainly not a high priority.

@joseph-robertson joseph-robertson changed the title Error if GSHP w/ separate backup Allow GSHP w/ separate backup Dec 6, 2023
@shorowit shorowit added the bug Something isn't working label Dec 22, 2023
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