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I really appreciate you laying this out. I will try to make some time to help in the coming weeks. I can code, but the modeling statistics are probably a bit over my head, so it would be great if a medical / stats person could figure out at least in principle how to better model prevalence in our new world of under-reporting. The big value to me of microcovid is the well-researched quantified model. I like with the idea of updating the UX with permanent-ish warnings that address the hazards from non-reporting jurisdictions and failed pipeline runs. Sounds affordable and inevitable. Unfortunately data pipeline stability seems to me like the hardest task and in a sense the least valuable. I bet various jurisdictions will continue to slow down or drop out of the reporting even aside from the reality that the reported case counts were always a grab bag of biases. Even if we stabilize the data ingestion perfectly, microcovid.org will still be missing a lot of localities. It might be interesting to survey popular jurisdictions and see if there's an easy way to encourage users to manually input their local prevalence? To pick one strange example, in Northern Ireland they've dispensed with dashboards entirely, BUT the department of health puts out a weekly report of a comparatively well controlled prevalence study. (example) The data quality seems great but the numbers are buried in a random PDF with no history. I'd despair of ingesting them automatically, but a determined local could find this for themselves and input manually. I wonder how many other localities have a situation like this. |
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Hi there, I just wanted to say that my household uses the microcovid tool very actively several times a week. Thanks for your service. Unfortunately none of us have many free volunteer hours, I could donate about two hours a month to reviewing / being a second set of eyes on written material. We would be interested to support the project Patreon style if that was possible, to financially support developers’ time on the tool. Please keep Microcovid up if it’s possible, it’s helping us make good risk decisions! Thank you again. |
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I'm very interested in becoming involved in this project. Over the past two years, I've relied upon microCOVID and it's given me a lot of comfort. I just so happens that around the same time that the pandemic started I began learning front-end development. It looks like the back end is written mostly in Python and the front-end in React? Unfortunately, I'd have to learn both of those items. But I should anyway and am willing to learn. I also come from a social science background and could work on interpreting literature for the purposes of the microCOVID tool. I agree with the goals you outlined except for the deprecation date. I feel that if the current model is significantly outdated enough to provide potentially dangerous misleading information that it's imperative that at least site messaging be updated ASAP. We're already in holiday season and travel is supposed to be more prevalent than in previous years. An outdated tool could jeopardize the health of its users. |
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Couple thoughts:
1a) Or apply a x10 or x20 correction to official case rates. This shouldn't be done everywhere, though; I would guess that at least a few East Asian countries have widespread official testing, since they have much higher 'case rates' than other countries but similar death rates.
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Thanks for the thoughts, everyone! I'll try to do my part by watching for PRs to push through from folks. In the meantime, a first area you could help with would be to break these ideas apart into particular issues to be filed, where we can dive into them more deeply. There's a lot to get into here. |
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Has wastewater monitoring data been considered to help approximate case rates, & if not is there a reason it can't be used? I don't have much coding capacity rn but do have some thoughts on the structure & wording of input options that I'll try to compile; eg ability to specify quality of air filtration, further differentiation between type & fit of masks (ie fit tested vs looks to fit vs visibly gaping, also addition of P100 elastomerics), more specificity re physical proximity (ie unsure how to input carpooling), updated risk profiles (or maybe way to roughly calculate any profile), etc I've really appreciated this tool, thank you so much not making it! Hoping that once updated I'll be able to reference it again to help loved ones visualize why different precautions are important / certain situations are significantly riskier than others... |
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One other concern I've personally had recently is that the current calculations are (as far as I can tell) still using Delta-level data for variables like transmissibility that informally seem likely to be underestimates for the current strains. I don't know how much concrete data we have on current strains, but that also feels like an issue likely to lead to misleading guidance. (Count me as another coder with no stats background but who's happy to pick off tasks if there are ways to be helpful -- I'll poke at the backlog!) |
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I am not a coder and don't understand what most of the terms you're talking about me. But I would be happy to contribute if there is someone else who has a Venmo or PayPal account. I rely on micro Covid almost every week and I would be really devastated if the site became unusable. |
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What skills, coding languages, etc would be helpful for this development? |
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I don't have anywhere near to skills to help, but I'm seconding (thirding, fourthing) that I would gladly send money if money would help - like, enough to justify an engineer taking a day off work to update it, if that would help. |
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I don't have any of the technical skills needed to help, but I find MicroCovid very valuable and would be willing to contribute money to help keep it up to date. Hope that's helpful and thank you for your work. |
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Just want to say I appreciate your site a lot : ) While I don't have much to offer, I think many would agree that it would be unfortunate if microcovid goes. I think that, even without access to high quality data, the tool is still valuable for estimating relative risks. And I think users can give their own estimation about covid prevalence in their locations (in the worst case, we can always just multiply official prevalence data by 10~100 and get a high caution result). I'm personally more interested to know whether the new variants have different attack rates, and whether there are updates about the effect of masks/ventilation, but hopefully information on these issues don't go obsolete as quickly as regional prevalence data. |
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Hi, We are sorry to hear you are understaffed, we would be very happy to contribute, but we are not able to volunteer much, as we are financially beyond strapped at this time. Please let us know how we can help. |
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Just wanted to share that I've been referring to this site for local prevalence updates, perhaps an option to allow users to find and add their own sources somehow could be a solution? |
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My wife and I highly value this site, and I would love to help on the data pipeline (for starters). i actually work for a company that makes a key tool for data analytics engineering and transformation, and this would be a meaningful passion project for me to keep my practical skills up to date. If this sounds interesting, lets talk! I’ll take a closer look at the repo in the meantime, as while I’m not a pro dev, I’m an armchair coder as well. Thanks again for all this site does! |
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hey! I don’t really know any details about software engineering, but i can say that this tool is so important to me and my community’s wellbeing so i’d love to do anything i can to save it. i’d be happy to spread the word about this on social media and if money is an issue, starting a GFM could be useful. |
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When I click on the ”here” it doesn’t take me to any other page. Is there something I should be looking for?Sent from my iPadOn Dec 3, 2022, at 4:15 AM, Vince Broz ***@***.***> wrote:
Yes, that suggestion has come up frequently. Please see here for next steps you can do to make this happen!
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So I sent Catherine a dollar with a request to let us know if there was any money or any other way to donate to the project. I’ll let you know what happens. But isn’t there anyone on the project now would be willing to give their PayPal address |
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Sorry. I’ve never use this platform before and trying to do a bunch of things at onceSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 3, 2022, at 12:37 PM, Vince Broz ***@***.***> wrote:
OK--thanks for that!
If someone believes a donation model would raise enough to make microCOVID more sustainable, and wants to volunteer to do the leg work to make that happen, I'd be happy to brainstorm tactics--just book some time with me. I can handle any needed coding bits once we figure out a plan together.
p.s., @squeakrad123, would you mind using threads in the discussions area or creating a separate issue or discussion post for donation discussions? You're creating a top-level item on an already very cluttered discussion post each time you reply.
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Actually you know what I am doing the best I can if I hear from Catherine I’ll let you know, but otherwise I’m out.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 3, 2022, at 12:37 PM, Vince Broz ***@***.***> wrote:
OK--thanks for that!
If someone believes a donation model would raise enough to make microCOVID more sustainable, and wants to volunteer to do the leg work to make that happen, I'd be happy to brainstorm tactics--just book some time with me. I can handle any needed coding bits once we figure out a plan together.
p.s., @squeakrad123, would you mind using threads in the discussions area or creating a separate issue or discussion post for donation discussions? You're creating a top-level item on an already very cluttered discussion post each time you reply.
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I would like to help with some coding and stat work. I may be limited in time I can put in the project but I would like to help in areas I can. |
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https://mms.isiaq.org//Calendar/moreinfo_responsive.php?org_id=ISIA&eventid=74477 ISIAQ 30th Anniversary Webinar: The long history of airborne infection transmission: why don’t we use the knowledge we have Starting now |
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Hi all, You may have seen this message: This means that the prevalence pipeline is once again broken and no changes are happening to microCOVID numbers over time. There's information here about the failure here: We need your help to fix this. I'm happy to pair to help someone if you don't know where to start - you can book some time with me here: https://calendly.com/apiology/microcovid |
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Hello, I'd love to help with some coding work -- I'll take a look at the open issues but I use this project regularly and would like to help keep it online, if I can! :) |
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Oh goodness, I'm glad that there's an upswell of community support here. I would like to pitch in some time; I'm a 10 year Python dev and I've done front-end too (though not React). Can you add me to the slack? |
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Hello! Thank you so much for laying these steps out so clearly. I actually work in data quality / pipeline testing (primarily working in Python and SQL), and have really relied and benefited from the microcovid tool these last few years. I'd hate to see it go down, and would love to pitch in how I can. It might take me a bit to get up to speed on the existing pipelines, but I'd really like to help. Could you add me to the Slack as well? My email is ye.kellyann@gmail.com. |
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Hey, any need for documentation--as in software docs, not necessarily white papers? If so, I'd be happy to help with that, as well as a11y or usability work. Slack invites welcome. 👍 Email: maxwell dot bridges at gmail dot com |
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The Microcovid framework has been super useful and I wish everyone on the planet would use it because it is really the only rational way to think about COVID risk. Having said that, it seems to me that BY FAR the most pressing issue of the day is the question of the prevalence and severity of long COVID. It's a difficult issue, because there doesn't seem to be great data. But without SOME handle on this question, why measure Microcovids? Someone who is not very old or immunocompromised might ask: what's the big deal about getting infected with COVID? The genius of the Microcovid approach is to take what IS known, by looking at primary literature, and to make educated guesses, which are then turned into useful heuristics that can applied by anyone. It seems to me that applying this approach to understanding long COVID should be the highest priority goal of the Microcovid project. Perhaps some researchers or bloggers or others outside of the Microcovid project have done something like this? Some topically relevant posts, like this one, are VERY out of date. Does anyone know of anything more recent? |
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as an old and immunocompromised person i value measuring microcovids. Dont make gratuitous assumptions On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 11:22:55 AM PST, velocitybucket ***@***.***> wrote:
The Microcovid framework has been super useful and I wish everyone on the planet would use it because it is really the only rational way to think about COVID risk.
Having said that, it seems to me that BY FAR the most pressing issue of the day is the question of the prevalence and severity of long COVID. It's a difficult issue, because there doesn't seem to be great data. But without SOME handle on this question, why measure Microcovids? Someone who is not very old or immunocompromised might ask: what's the big deal about getting infected with COVID?
The genius of the Microcovid approach is to take what IS known, by looking at primary literature, and to make educated guesses, which are then turned into useful heuristics that can applied by anyone. It seems to me that applying this approach to understanding long COVID should be the highest priority goal of the Microcovid project.
Perhaps some researchers or bloggers or others outside of the Microcovid project have done something like this? Some topically relevant posts, like this one, are VERY out of date. Does anyone know of anything more recent?
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Hey all - I think we've taken this thread as far as GitHub's discussion feature will allow. I'm going to lock it, but feel free to start new discussion threads based on anything here. |
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COVID and our world's infrastructure around it continue to change, but microCOVID and the assumptions it was built on have not. I personally think having a tool which is even just directionally correct and reinforces smartly targeted safety habits is still very useful. However, I think that crossing the line to being actively misleading on risk is a real danger.
If you agree, we need your help to turn this around. Thoughtful contributions are very welcome. There's a wide variety of things that can be worked on, but I tried to narrow it down to what I think the most impactful things we could do.
Please let me know what you think and what I can do to help you help.
Steps we need help from the community on:
If we aren’t able to make these these things happen, my feeling is that we ought to go ahead and take the next step in the site's deprecation by, say, Feb 1.
Stabilize and monitor data pipeline
Our data pipeline has gone down for days and weeks with no attention when upstream sources make changes or have data issues. Keeping up with these issues has been my first focus. I think I’ve made significant progress here, but some things remain to do. For instance, right now, those pipeline alerts go to one otherwise busy person. Getting something which would create GitHub issues on failure and/or send alerts onto our contributor Slack would be very helpful.
Some locations are no longer providing test data at all. Quite a few provide it less reliably and less frequently. Our pipeline needs to be robust against both issues. Our model needs to ensure that missing data is mitigated as possible. Our UI needs to communicate the impact of missing data clearly to users, perhaps by gathering some kind of prevalence assessment from the user directly.
A validation procedure will also be very helpful, to characterize the impact of changes made by folks like me who didn’t write the original code and model. I don’t know exactly what this looks like yet, but something pragmatic we can build on is better than nothing.
Modernize prevalence input
Once we have existing functionality shored up, we need to start modernizing. Our model uses local prevalence (as measured by officially reported testing numbers) to adjust risk. The concept of adjusting your activities and safety measures based on risk is a really compelling microCOVID feature. That said, we know the amount of official testing has reduced, as a secular trend independent of the cyclical waves of infections. Personally, I haven’t seen a line in my neighborhood for the testing kiosks for a while now. The milder acute symptoms of Omicron strains, the popularization of home testing and a general weariness of safety measures are surely causes of the trend towards underreporting.
We should find a way to make an adjustment to try to correct for this, and ensure we are expressing to users the limitations of this good faith measure along the way. Again, I lean towards the pragmatic.
Modernize boosters in model
Our vaccination model doesn’t model the short term benefit of boosters on immunity. Ben Shaya has researched how to update this part of the model based on a paper on neutralizing antibodies; we should get this work out for review from anyone who is up for it and get it into the site model absent any blockers identified.
Deprecate site if not able to modernize by Feb 1
The above is a big ask; I want to be clear that I’m unlikely to be able to do this work solo. If we don’t reach this level of improvement, we should have a plan for next steps. Maybe that’s turning off prevalence updates (which will surely die absent maintenance) and then leaving the site up as-is with an updated banner making it clear it is historical in nature and should not be used for current risk assessment.
What do you think?
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